Thursday, July 3, 2014

She is back the most radical feminist in Gaming and most compulsive LIAR you will ever meet besides Patrick Scott Patterson

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  • 11 people like this.
  • Cat DeSpira How rich...LMAO 
    June 30 at 2:27pm
  • Jennell Jaquays Its definitely about perpetuating male control over female bodies. The misogyny is bad enough, but this decision will likely be used as prior case law to inform future attempts to deny rights to others.
    June 30 at 2:54pm · 1
  • Sean Newton Free country. Glad I choose NOT to work for them.
    June 30 at 2:57pm
  • Cat DeSpira They were looking at bankruptcy before this, and with the scandals over antisemitism in 2008, and then getting caught mismanaging funds to take extravagant vacations on the company's books, coupled with getting caught false advertising, The Pray The Gay Away pamphlet scandal...all that and the above will come out in the next few weeks and, well...

    We saw this in The 80s with "religious corporations" pushing too far and so shamelessly on the rights of others and then getting caught up in hypocrisy. Most of them, once caught in scandals like this, fell in a year. This chain will be gone in a year. Good riddance.
    June 30 at 3:03pm · Edited · 1
  • Andrea Hydo I disagree. It's about the government telling Hobby Lobby what to do.
    June 30 at 3:24pm · 2
  • Cat DeSpira It's about a corporation exercising double standards based on gender.
    June 30 at 4:27pm · 3
  • Daniel R Pizana I agree they should not have to go against their religious beliefs...EVER. The government needs to stay out of it entirely, furthermore, if the government wants to supply these types of things, they can do so in many other ways and for free, just like we give people S.N.A.P., Welfare, and other "perks". I only defend the religious freedom and respect parts of this, if there is another PROVEN reason they want to deny providing this type of coverage, it should be dealt with differently. I don't want the government telling me I HAVE to do something against my freedom of religion. BTW, by "PROVEN" I mean actual facts that can be backed up and not made up shit just to stir the pot.
    June 30 at 6:18pm · 1
  • Kathleen Dickson If everyone who worked there didn't want or believe in contraception services there would be no problem but I don't believe that to be true. So the owners are forcing their religious beliefs as terms of employment. The stores also don't offer any party supplies for Jewish holidays. So I guess they only need white Christian men to work and shop there. Which is fine because I won't be back.
    June 30 at 7:22pm · 2
  • Daniel R Pizana I see this as twisting the truth a bit to meet the needs of an argument. Why should they offer supplies for Jewish holidays when they are not Jewish? The only people they are hurting is themselves. What I'm afraid of is people twisting this and trying to get rid of religious rights. If this company is guilty of ILLEGAL practices, then it will come crashing down on them. You say they are forcing their religious beliefs as terms of employment, that means you are saying they will not hire you if you do not agree with their beliefs...right? If that were the case, then proper charges for that would have been brought up. I don't see it. What I see is people trying to force legal charges on a company that is not breaking any laws. If they are breaking laws. get them, if they're not..leave them alone. Of course if I was a business owner I would not want the government coming in and telling me to sell what they want and pay for anything outside of due taxes and business fees.
    June 30 at 7:33pm · 2
  • Kathleen Dickson Ah so ignoring major groups of people that don't conform to my personal beliefs is ok because it's not illegal. And government cannot step in and make it illegal because that would be completely getting rid of my religious rights. Wow you would have fit in just fine down here in the South during the 1960's.
    June 30 at 7:58pm · 2
  • Sean Newton They probably have company shirts issued as terms of employment. Don't like it? Don't work there. America= choices.
    June 30 at 8:22pm
  • Kathleen Dickson It's not that simple and if you think it is, you are missing the point.
    June 30 at 9:08pm
  • Cat DeSpira Welcome to 'Murica, Kathleen...lol 
    June 30 at 9:31pm · 2
  • Kathleen Dickson Yep, it's quite a place.
    June 30 at 9:54pm · 3
  • Mario DjMach Serrano In the end does this really matter? Opinion or not, does it really affect anybody here?
    June 30 at 10:58pm
  • Kathleen Dickson yes it matters. yes it affects people here.
    June 30 at 10:59pm
  • Kathleen Dickson well, obviously not you and I guess that is all that matters, huh?
    June 30 at 11:00pm
  • Mario DjMach Serrano I ask because there has been alot of companies spreading their beliefs through their business. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but "people" have a choice to either work there or quit. Shop there, or shop somewhere else, obey the rules or the law or try to change it, boycott outside or stay quiet. I mean after all it's a craft store not a hospital or the only place to use for healthcare...am I wrong? People have choices...consumers, employees, advocates. In my 37 years of existence I've heard it all since I was kid...vote for me and I'll change the laws for us, No new taxes, No child left behind, DARE to keep kids off drugs and now there's medical marijuana facilities popping up everywhere. I don't support Chic Fi La because their food sucks! I might shop at HOBBY LOBBY or shop at a BUSY BEE hobby store but my point is that everybody has a choice. That's all.
    June 30 at 11:09pm · Edited · 3
  • Sean Newton Well said Mario. Freedom of choice.
    July 1 at 12:16am
  • Cat DeSpira Man, you people just don't get it, do you? Holy crap.
    July 1 at 7:16am · 3
  • Kevin Bunch Explain to me how a corporation can have a religion. It's not some little family owned business - corporations are independent of the people who found it or run it. My understanding is this is all down to a loophole on personhood (and obviously the misogyny), and even then it was clearly not something half the court agreed on.

    Ginsberg is right in that this sets a troubling precedent, which is why I'm sure if more challenges come up regarding these sorts of questions the whole thing will get reversed - assuming the court makeup has changed by then - but moreover, people should support a constitutional amendment to specifically state corporations are not people.
    July 1 at 7:23am · 3
  • She Ðevil ToDiefor Good old Hobby Lobby. I've had to cut back on crocheting because they sell my favorite yarn and I refuse to endorse their nonsense.
    July 1 at 7:27am · 1
  • Tracey Lota Smith This is unbelievable. Dark ages crap!
    July 1 at 7:51am · 1
  • Cat DeSpira I know. This is the kind of stuff that happens in third world countries. This ruling is a huge can of worms that has been opened, one that will not only continue to oppress women but encourage further discrimination on other classes via "religious corporations" -and not just Christian ones- for now, if the ruling holds, all religions can claim the same protection and deny various coverages to a myriad of citizens based on the company's own intiate personal values and not based on maintaining equality and total healthcare for its employees. The LGBT community will be the next group to see a loss of liberty.
    July 1 at 8:00am
  • Sean Newton I'm getting it just fine, Cat.
    July 1 at 8:26am
  • Cat DeSpira The Justices who voted 'yes' for this and other equally insane issues were once caught red-handed taking bribes from organizations who the Justices not only campaigned funds for but who also had briefs pending for ruling. In 2011, 43 members of Congress called into question the ethics of these men who voted recently on reversing the healthcare mandate for Hobby Lobby. 43. These bastards take pay offs. Not once. Not twice. But so often that it has become a general practice for them to attend fund raisers for their "clients" organizations, foregoing impartiality by championing their causes, appearing as headliners at their fund raising galas and accepting lavish gifts from the very organizations who had briefs they knew these Justices were to rule on. Why they are still Justices of The Supreme Court is shocking. 

    http://thinkprogress.org/.../23/252255/murphy-letter-thomas/

    These facts prompted the writing of a bill that would inhibit such behavior for the sake of the preservation of justice. This is why people are so upset over the issue of Hobby Lobby. The Hobby Lobby Debacle is the not the first time these guys have voted in favor of their pal's business and moral concerns or which many of their wants are the passing of laws that further inhibit the liberty of women, immigrants and minority groups.

    From US Congress:

    https://beta.congress.gov/.../113th-congress/house-bill/2902
    Rep. Chris Murphy: Thomas Gift Scandal ‘Undermine[s] The Integrity of The Entire Judiciary’
    thinkprogress.org
    ThinkProgress has obtained a draft letter Rep. Chris Murphy (D-CT) circulated th... See More
    July 1 at 9:01am
  • Daniel R Pizana Planned Parenthood gives contraceptives out for friggin free for God's sake. My wife and I have went there numerous times to obtain condoms and such, and doesn't Obamacare pay for it anyway? Just dump the company's "overpriced" health insurance and go with the "cheaper" Obamacare. Problem solved and no one has to answer for their religious RIGHTS. If someone doesn't like a company's stance on something...DON'T shop there, DON'T work there, at least while we still have the freedom to choose.
    July 1 at 9:30am
  • Cat DeSpira That's not the point. Why is it so difficult to see and recognize that this ruling takes away the rights of women to make their own healthcare decisions? Men get the full deal -the full benefit. Women get a politically modified version AND a for-profit company receives the title as a "religious organization". My god, it could not be clearer why this is a veritable atrocity.

    Daniel, you have daughters. Beautiful, intelligent and talented girls. Daughters who will leave home one day, make careers, pursue their dreams and face the world without you.
    Don't you think they deserve total equality in a society that will afford them every opportunity to become anything they have ever wanted to be, including the power to govern their own bodies and their own destiny? 
    I do.
    July 1 at 9:43am · 2
  • Daniel R Pizana We get the full deal? You mean a man can go and get "fixed" and the insurance will pay for it? I think not, not most company insurances I've seen. As far as my daughters go, BECAUSE they are intelligent girls, they will know who they would want to work for and who they wouldn't. The ruling doesn't take anything away from women, it simply takes away what the company will pay for. Women can still get health care for their needs from private (though a few politicians want to make that a thing of that past) or The Affordable Care Act. Was that not the whole point of Obamacare, to take care of things that companies were not? I see what the point is, I am simply countering it with the options that seem to have been "forgotten". One more thing, I am a little insulted that you would bring my daughters into this as a way to sway my opinion, but I forgive you, because I understand your passion. I'll say it again, there are other options that can be pursued to get birth-control for free or really affordable, I do not approve of the government forcing private business owners to go against their religious views and infringe on their rights to religious freedom. That is the reasoning Hobby Lobby is using and I agree with ONLY that reasoning, if they have some secret agenda, that is a separate matter and should not be used as a weapon to take religious freedom away.
    July 1 at 10:39am · 1
  • Mario DjMach Serrano Thank you Daniel! Amen. No pun intended.
    July 1 at 5:31pm · 1
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